Libertarians Part 2

One hears Communism sounded like a great idea!

Then they rode that horse.  

Libertarians now offer the antithetical (untried) extreme…  what could possibly go wrong?

Objectivists are Ayn Rand’s Franken-children.  They have a lot in common with libertarians but don’t tell them that. Libertarians and Objectivists don’t like each other much and the feud was started by Rand herself.   She said this:

“All kinds of people today call themselves “libertarians,” especially something calling itself the New Right, which consists of hippies, except that they’re anarchists instead of collectivists. But of course, anarchists are collectivists. Capitalism is the one system that requires absolute objective law, yet they want to combine capitalism and anarchism. That is worse than anything the New Left has proposed. It’s a mockery of philosophy and ideology. They sling slogans and try to ride on two bandwagons. They want to be hippies, but don’t want to preach collectivism, because those jobs are already taken. But anarchism is a logical outgrowth of the anti-intellectual side of collectivism. I could deal with a Marxist with a greater chance of reaching some kind of understanding, and with much greater respect. The anarchist is the scum of the intellectual world of the left, which has given them up. So the right picks up another leftist discard. That’s the Libertarian movement.”

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/11/ayn-rand-was-not-a-libertarian.html

And you think I am opinionated…  😉

It is fair to categorize Objectivists as libertarian. 

The reverse is not true.   Some libertarians are anarchists who think government totally unnecessary.

Objectivists do not believe in anarchism.  Here is one of their own in a long winded explanation of why they are right and the libertarians are wrong on this one…

http://www.hblist.com/anarchy.htm

Some libertarians are minarchists who concede the need for a very small limited government (like the Objectivists) so we can have a military to defend borders and maybe even a police department.  Minarchists include Grover Norquist who is famous for saying he wants a government “small enough to drown in the bathtub”. 

Why am I passionately anti-libertarian/Objectivist?  They are and have been gaining political influence and popularity in America.

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Ford, Greenspan, Rand, Oval Office

I cannot reconcile believing in government that addresses serious grievances and passes laws to stop those abuses with those who believe everyone will simply do the right thing in the absence of law.  If this were true those laws would never have arisen.   In the name of their new philosophies libertarians and Objectivists are helping the GOP dismantle the social safety network, worker safety regulations, anti-discrimination laws, minimum wage laws, child labor laws, environmental protections, the effectiveness of unions,  and working to privatize absolutely everything from schools to sewage treatment plants…..  

Let’s shine all the light on them we can.  What do they stand for, where are they trying to take us, and why do they all get Christmas cards from the Koch brothers?

Since all laws are unnecessary ever wonder what the libertarian position is on traffic lights?  Wonder no more.  Here is a libertarian explaining why that crushing blow to liberty is gratuitous:

http://www.davewentzel.com/content/libertarians-and-traffic-lights

Libertarians and Objectivists sometimes claim big differences.  Rand didn’t like libertarians but who did she like.  The differences are kinda like the huge gulf between the Methodists and the Presbyterians.. 

Here is an Objectivist forum discussing the horror and theft of laws for the disabled.  Please go read it.  It helps understand the philosophy and shows how lovely it would be in practice.

I was unable to locate the video of Ron Paul lauding “The Gilded Age”.  It doesn’t matter.  Here is the probable source of those talking points.  “Gilded Age” by the way is satire contrasting “Golden Age” with something baser with a cheap shiny coating.  We have Mark Twain to thank for the appellation. 

“Let’s consider, say, the year 1880. Here was a society in which people were free to keep everything they earned, because there was no income tax. They were also free to decide what to do with their own money—spend it, save it, invest it, donate it, or whatever. People were generally free to engage in occupations and professions without a license or permit. There were few federal economic regulations and regulatory agencies. No Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, bailouts, or so-called stimulus plans. No IRS. No Departments of Education, Energy, Agriculture, Commerce, and Labor. No EPA and OSHA. No Federal Reserve. No drug laws. Few systems of public schooling. No immigration controls. No federal minimum-wage laws or price controls. A monetary system based on gold and silver coins rather than paper money. No slavery. No CIA. No FBI. No torture or cruel or unusual punishments. No renditions. No overseas military empire. No military-industrial complex.

As a libertarian, as far as I’m concerned, that’s a society that is pretty darned golden.”

http://reason.com/archives/2010/04/09/up-from-serfdom
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Here is a very effective exhaustive rebuttal of libertarianism from one of several online.

Update:

Libertopia is a far off future.  It is  more instructive to know what policies they support in the here and now and who they are.

Charles and David Koch are the two most powerful plutocrat libertarians in America.  They founded the Cato Institute (originally called The Charles Koch Foundation).  They have recently reasserted control through a law suit/purge.

In 1980 David Koch ran as the vice presidential nominee on the Libertarian ticket.  Please read the platform he supported:

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/koch-brothers

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22 Responses to Libertarians Part 2

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  2. osolynden says:

    I would like to mention that this blog has “silent” readers and supporters. I am surprised how many. The link to the Objectivist discussion on property owners being abused by disability laws was sent to me by one of those friends. Hey thanks! I know you will read this!

  3. To have libertarian views on things is not necessarily a bad thing. To believe that 300+ million or so people will voluntarily cooperate with one another and do the “right” thing is just asinine.

    As far as doing away with traffic lights, it’s almost impossible for me to find an intersection with a simple four-way stop that works. Trying to imagine an intersection with twelve lanes of thru traffic, eight turn lanes, and four pedestrian walk lanes working without some traffic coordination through traffic lights is futile. We have one intersection (Tropicana Ave/Las Vegas Blvd) that is used by almost a million cars every day. I don’t like using that intersection WITH traffic lights.

    Hardcore libertarians believe that the world would be so perfect if everybody could just do what they want without regulatory oppression. The downside, of course, is that one person’s personal freedom is another person’s worst nightmare. Since all that legal mumbo jumbo would be done away with, I could grow marijuana, opium poppies and coca plants freely in my backyard. I could process those plants and manufacture some LSD and meth at the same time, all down in my basement. I could run a bunch of willing prostitutes out of my living room and have an open opium den in my garage. On the weekends, I could rent my front yard out for nudist (or better yet, swinger) parties or wiccan ritual celebrations and I suppose as long as I keep it all on my property, my neighbors couldn’t bitch. I probably could put up a block wall to prevent the neighborhood kids from getting an eyeful, but really why should I have to pay to protect the neighbors’ children? If they don’t want them to get such an education then they should just keep them in their own damn yards, behind their own block walls. Right?

    🙂

    • osolynden says:

      After the libertarian revolution I am coming to your house. Lynden & Stitch (The WonderDog)

      • Wait till you see what could be done with the proceeds from my home-based businesses, some friends in Low Places, and 40 acres or so in the middle of the desert. Maybe a highly profitable mix of Burning Man and Frankie Goes to Hollywood’s Pleasuredome.

        After that I’ll get SGH her own beach so she can kick the other rich folks off and let all the regular folks get a natural tan too. 😉

        With the right attitude, a libertarian utopia just might be livable after all.

        • osolynden says:

          My concern is that unregulated vice may quickly clog with competition driving free market demand down. I may go another direction. Since all tax is redistributionist theft that violates the non aggression principle, I am thinking of going into disposable aluminum baking pans and trays. The greatly expanded court system will need a lot of bake sales to keep going.

          Or I could become a Dr. Having a sign made is quite inexpensive and quick. My profits could be invested in building condo complexes in former national parks and maybe a water slide around “old faithful”.

          • I like your diversified thinking. However with the right, shall we say, market incentives, I think I could possibly create a large enough monopoly, wait, I mean exclusive distributorship territories, that would make the competition minimal at best. Maybe we could become a self-organized cartel and put all our good ideas together to work for the betterment of ourselves (and close associates) and the suffering of all those people we can’t stand to be around (i.e., asshats).

        • ALRIGHT, I’m game!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  4. “I have always found it quaint and rather touching that there is a movement [Libertarians] in the US that thinks Americans are not yet selfish enough.”
    ―Christopher Hitchens

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